Comments for Fear and Trembling http://trembling.wordpress.com for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure. Fri, 13 Feb 2009 03:49:23 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 Comment on Anti-Spanking Laws by AustinTXGal http://trembling.wordpress.com/2007/07/15/anti-spanking-laws/#comment-65 AustinTXGal Fri, 13 Feb 2009 03:49:23 +0000 http://trembling.wordpress.com/2007/07/15/anti-spanking-laws/#comment-65 That's a really interesting response. I totally disagree with your statement that physical discipline is not violent. I don't care if it is done utterly calmly, it is a violent act against a child. It does injure the child...even if temporarily physically and certainly emotionally so yes, it falls under the auspices of violence. There are other ways of dealing with children besides hitting them that can foster self-esteem in the child. And for you to say that Barack Obama is a "powerful proponent for violence against children" is truly twisted. He loves children...his own and others. Have you seen how he so naturally and lovingly interacts with children in crowds and his own? President Obama himself has said it would be his goal to REDUCE abortion. He is not for killing unborn children and is not out lobbying to promote abortion and increase it. Good grief. I am NOT a pro-abortion person either, but I do believe there are instances (such as when a woman is raped) where it is understandable. Why do conservatives have to totally twist what our president stands for? He is the most peaceful, loving president we have had in a long time. He sure beats Bush, who ordered torture and led us into a war that has resulted in thousands of our own and Iraqi people being killed. And Bush said he left with his values intact...he sure did...kill them and torture them values. That’s a really interesting response. I totally disagree with your statement that physical discipline is not violent. I don’t care if it is done utterly calmly, it is a violent act against a child. It does injure the child…even if temporarily physically and certainly emotionally so yes, it falls under the auspices of violence. There are other ways of dealing with children besides hitting them that can foster self-esteem in the child.

And for you to say that Barack Obama is a “powerful proponent for violence against children” is truly twisted. He loves children…his own and others. Have you seen how he so naturally and lovingly interacts with children in crowds and his own? President Obama himself has said it would be his goal to REDUCE abortion. He is not for killing unborn children and is not out lobbying to promote abortion and increase it. Good grief. I am NOT a pro-abortion person either, but I do believe there are instances (such as when a woman is raped) where it is understandable.

Why do conservatives have to totally twist what our president stands for? He is the most peaceful, loving president we have had in a long time. He sure beats Bush, who ordered torture and led us into a war that has resulted in thousands of our own and Iraqi people being killed. And Bush said he left with his values intact…he sure did…kill them and torture them values.

]]> Comment on Anti-Spanking Laws by tpiecora http://trembling.wordpress.com/2007/07/15/anti-spanking-laws/#comment-64 tpiecora Thu, 12 Feb 2009 05:30:14 +0000 http://trembling.wordpress.com/2007/07/15/anti-spanking-laws/#comment-64 Diane, Thank you for commenting. A few of my own comments regarding yours. The intent of my paper was not to justify spanking but rather to point out the rather consistent failure of those who oppose physical discipline to do so with any type of clear reasoning or coherent thought. Secondly, your appeal to my own experience has no actual bearing on the matter of whether the reasoning of such individuals is clear or not. It is irrelevant to the topic discussed in the essay. Regarding your statement, "It is not spanking or nothing", please refer to the second sentence of the second to last paragraph: "If people have a problem with physical discipline, then they should not do it." Concerning your comment that spanking is very violent, I would refer you back to some of the main points of the essay. Physical discipline is not essentially violent. Please refer any dictionary for a definition of violent. What I have classified as physical discipline does not fall in the category of "violent". As I stated in the essay, striking anyone in rage, fury, or passion would be violent. Physical discipline is not this. By nature of definition, physical discipline is for the purpose of teaching, not injuring. This is contrary to anything violent. Violence is for the purpose of revenge and destruction. Physical discipline is utterly contrary to any such notions. If what you received as a child was being struck in rage or anger, then I am sorry. In response to your view on spanking, I am compelled to make a comment or two of my own on your view. On your blog you indicate that you are an avid supporter of Barack Obama. How is it that you find such inspiration, and so avidly support such a person who is such a powerful proponent for violence against children? I am curious as to why you are so opposed to controlled, instructive, physical discipline, which has no intent of injuring or damaging a child, but rather the contrary, protecting and educating them, and yet if that child has not yet been born you are not opposed to them being dismembered and removed from their mothers womb (or at least you don't mind being such an avid supporter of someone who not opposed to it) in one of the grossest acts of violence that exists on this planet (which occurs legally by the thousands each day, I might add). Please tell me how you can hold such views, because I am utterly at a loss to explain such an inconsistency. You say spanking is harmful. What then is abortion? What an exponentially greater act of violence and hate against another human being. Diane,
Thank you for commenting. A few of my own comments regarding yours.
The intent of my paper was not to justify spanking but rather to point out the rather consistent failure of those who oppose physical discipline to do so with any type of clear reasoning or coherent thought.
Secondly, your appeal to my own experience has no actual bearing on the matter of whether the reasoning of such individuals is clear or not. It is irrelevant to the topic discussed in the essay.
Regarding your statement, “It is not spanking or nothing”, please refer to the second sentence of the second to last paragraph: “If people have a problem with physical discipline, then they should not do it.”
Concerning your comment that spanking is very violent, I would refer you back to some of the main points of the essay. Physical discipline is not essentially violent. Please refer any dictionary for a definition of violent. What I have classified as physical discipline does not fall in the category of “violent”. As I stated in the essay, striking anyone in rage, fury, or passion would be violent. Physical discipline is not this. By nature of definition, physical discipline is for the purpose of teaching, not injuring. This is contrary to anything violent. Violence is for the purpose of revenge and destruction. Physical discipline is utterly contrary to any such notions.
If what you received as a child was being struck in rage or anger, then I am sorry.
In response to your view on spanking, I am compelled to make a comment or two of my own on your view. On your blog you indicate that you are an avid supporter of Barack Obama. How is it that you find such inspiration, and so avidly support such a person who is such a powerful proponent for violence against children? I am curious as to why you are so opposed to controlled, instructive, physical discipline, which has no intent of injuring or damaging a child, but rather the contrary, protecting and educating them, and yet if that child has not yet been born you are not opposed to them being dismembered and removed from their mothers womb (or at least you don’t mind being such an avid supporter of someone who not opposed to it) in one of the grossest acts of violence that exists on this planet (which occurs legally by the thousands each day, I might add). Please tell me how you can hold such views, because I am utterly at a loss to explain such an inconsistency. You say spanking is harmful. What then is abortion? What an exponentially greater act of violence and hate against another human being.

]]> Comment on Anti-Spanking Laws by AustinTXGal http://trembling.wordpress.com/2007/07/15/anti-spanking-laws/#comment-63 AustinTXGal Thu, 12 Feb 2009 03:56:21 +0000 http://trembling.wordpress.com/2007/07/15/anti-spanking-laws/#comment-63 You obviously spent a lot of time writing a post to justify spanking. I wonder if you were spanked or beaten as a child. I can't imagine that if you were, that you would be so pro spanking. It is very harmful to the child's psyche and stays in the body as well. There are other ways to discipline children. It is not spanking or nothing. I chose an alternate route. Spanking is very violent...I was on the receiving end as a child and would never do that to any child. You obviously spent a lot of time writing a post to justify spanking. I wonder if you were spanked or beaten as a child. I can’t imagine that if you were, that you would be so pro spanking. It is very harmful to the child’s psyche and stays in the body as well. There are other ways to discipline children. It is not spanking or nothing. I chose an alternate route. Spanking is very violent…I was on the receiving end as a child and would never do that to any child.

]]> Comment on A Response to “Should Homeschoolers Teach Logic?” by LFK http://trembling.wordpress.com/2008/01/26/a-response-to-should-homeschoolers-teach-logic/#comment-43 LFK Thu, 13 Mar 2008 02:39:46 +0000 http://trembling.wordpress.com/?p=111#comment-43 tpiecora, You are exactly right. A year ago, I realized the same - Christ is "hyper-masculine", the very premise of which our world is built. I have a picture that I would like to send you if you give me your email. tpiecora,

You are exactly right. A year ago, I realized the same – Christ is “hyper-masculine”, the very premise of which our world is built.

I have a picture that I would like to send you if you give me your email.

]]> Comment on Set a guard, O Lord, over my mouth;keep watch over the door of my lips! by Ruby http://trembling.wordpress.com/2007/12/14/set-a-guard-o-lord-over-my-mouthkeep-watch-over-the-door-of-my-lips/#comment-42 Ruby Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:01:36 +0000 http://trembling.wordpress.com/2007/12/14/set-a-guard-o-lord-over-my-mouthkeep-watch-over-the-door-of-my-lips/#comment-42 Was looking for the reference to "keep a watch..." and found your comments. Thanks for the laugh and for reminding me of the truth of what you said. Hope the laryngitis is better. :) God bless, Ruby Was looking for the reference to “keep a watch…” and found your comments. Thanks for the laugh and for reminding me of the truth of what you said. Hope the laryngitis is better. :)

God bless,

Ruby

]]> Comment on Did you have a good week? by adrien http://trembling.wordpress.com/2008/02/02/did-you-have-a-good-week/#comment-31 adrien Sun, 03 Feb 2008 03:19:15 +0000 http://trembling.wordpress.com/?p=114#comment-31 Thats a good one i like it "How is it with your soul, friend". Thats a often needed question that we should ask more often it is more personal and lets you get to know those in Christ better. That question might shed some glory on god a little bit, or glory t God alittle bit and thanks be to God. I definatly had a faith strenghening week. An amazin one at that, Iwas in my sin and fell off the path and caught in the snare of the world and the devil and God, while I was yet in my sin and tormen and spiritual unasiness plucked me out oof the fire an placed me on the path again and my soul has been strenghthened. So thanks and glory be to God on high to him be the glory forever and ever, Amen Thats a good one i like it “How is it with your soul, friend”. Thats a often needed question that we should ask more often it is more personal and lets you get to know those in Christ better. That question might shed some glory on god a little bit, or glory t God alittle bit and thanks be to God. I definatly had a faith strenghening week. An amazin one at that, Iwas in my sin and fell off the path and caught in the snare of the world and the devil and God, while I was yet in my sin and tormen and spiritual unasiness plucked me out oof the fire an placed me on the path again and my soul has been strenghthened. So thanks and glory be to God on high to him be the glory forever and ever, Amen

]]> Comment on A Response to “Should Homeschoolers Teach Logic?” by Javier http://trembling.wordpress.com/2008/01/26/a-response-to-should-homeschoolers-teach-logic/#comment-30 Javier Tue, 29 Jan 2008 02:32:57 +0000 http://trembling.wordpress.com/?p=111#comment-30 Hmm at times it seems there is an equivocation on the word 'logic' I'd agree with Ted that Hebrew Logic is in no way different from Greek Logic. I do find the article, from what I read to be terribly inaccurate to call the miracles, or supernatural acts 'illogical' it might be unatural [because its supernatural even then what is natural? If we assume that there is uniformity in nature it might be 'unatural' but do we have a right to assume any uniformity at all Biblically?] but not illogical. Peter didn't walk on water, and ice at the same time. Sara didn't have a baby and not a baby at the same time in the same place. etc...there is nothing illogical about scripture or what God does. There is noetic effects of sin that have darkened the hearts of men and it isn't until the Logos/Wisdom/Logic/Word of God - Jesus Christ gives us true knowledge that we can know the consistent God. :) All glory to the Lord! Hmm at times it seems there is an equivocation on the word ‘logic’ I’d agree with Ted that Hebrew Logic is in no way different from Greek Logic. I do find the article, from what I read to be terribly inaccurate to call the miracles, or supernatural acts ‘illogical’ it might be unatural [because its supernatural even then what is natural? If we assume that there is uniformity in nature it might be 'unatural' but do we have a right to assume any uniformity at all Biblically?] but not illogical. Peter didn’t walk on water, and ice at the same time. Sara didn’t have a baby and not a baby at the same time in the same place. etc…there is nothing illogical about scripture or what God does. There is noetic effects of sin that have darkened the hearts of men and it isn’t until the Logos/Wisdom/Logic/Word of God – Jesus Christ gives us true knowledge that we can know the consistent God. :)

All glory to the Lord!

]]> Comment on A Response to “Should Homeschoolers Teach Logic?” by sprittibee http://trembling.wordpress.com/2008/01/26/a-response-to-should-homeschoolers-teach-logic/#comment-29 sprittibee Sat, 26 Jan 2008 22:25:54 +0000 http://trembling.wordpress.com/?p=111#comment-29 "However if people had a better understanding of logic, I do not think so many people would adhere to such bad premises because they would take their premises to their logical conclusions and see the utter absurdity of them." This makes me think of this particular video... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fo_KIRTa7jI I think you are right - humans are not good at thinking through consequences of their actions or logical conclusions of their theories ... but I think that is partly our nature as fallen people. Good reason to pray to God asking Him for wisdom. :) I still am finding more that we have in common rather than anything to argue over. I think both of you are making good points. Expecting the masses to study logic, however, may leave you feeling defeated. Most modern Americans would rather watch television than read a good book - let alone crack open a book that compares Greek to Hebrew education models. :) LOL “However if people had a better understanding of logic, I do not think so many people would adhere to such bad premises because they would take their premises to their logical conclusions and see the utter absurdity of them.”

This makes me think of this particular video…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fo_KIRTa7jI

I think you are right – humans are not good at thinking through consequences of their actions or logical conclusions of their theories … but I think that is partly our nature as fallen people. Good reason to pray to God asking Him for wisdom. :) I still am finding more that we have in common rather than anything to argue over. I think both of you are making good points. Expecting the masses to study logic, however, may leave you feeling defeated. Most modern Americans would rather watch television than read a good book – let alone crack open a book that compares Greek to Hebrew education models. :) LOL

]]> Comment on A Response to “Should Homeschoolers Teach Logic?” by tpiecora http://trembling.wordpress.com/2008/01/26/a-response-to-should-homeschoolers-teach-logic/#comment-28 tpiecora Sat, 26 Jan 2008 18:45:16 +0000 http://trembling.wordpress.com/?p=111#comment-28 sprittibee, Thank you for your comment. I still would maintain that there are not many logics. Logic exists apart from premises. The errors we see are because people take faulty premises to their logical conclusion. Greek logic and Hebrew logic are the same, with different premises. I do not think we actually disagree about the foolishness of this generation. You are correct: much of that foolishness is attributed to bad premises. However if people had a better understanding of logic, I do not think so many people would adhere to such bad premises because they would take their premises to their logical conclusions and see the utter absurdity of them. Yet you can approach someone on the street, ask their view on something and immediately after they answer ask them to explain why. Many people cannot give any good reason why. When you confront them on this most just blow off the idea that they have absolutely no idea why they think the way they do or believe what they believe. (Such ideas as relative truth and relative morality come to mind.) SDG sprittibee,
Thank you for your comment. I still would maintain that there are not many logics. Logic exists apart from premises. The errors we see are because people take faulty premises to their logical conclusion. Greek logic and Hebrew logic are the same, with different premises. I do not think we actually disagree about the foolishness of this generation. You are correct: much of that foolishness is attributed to bad premises. However if people had a better understanding of logic, I do not think so many people would adhere to such bad premises because they would take their premises to their logical conclusions and see the utter absurdity of them. Yet you can approach someone on the street, ask their view on something and immediately after they answer ask them to explain why. Many people cannot give any good reason why. When you confront them on this most just blow off the idea that they have absolutely no idea why they think the way they do or believe what they believe. (Such ideas as relative truth and relative morality come to mind.)
SDG

]]> Comment on A Response to “Should Homeschoolers Teach Logic?” by sprittibee http://trembling.wordpress.com/2008/01/26/a-response-to-should-homeschoolers-teach-logic/#comment-27 sprittibee Sat, 26 Jan 2008 18:34:38 +0000 http://trembling.wordpress.com/?p=111#comment-27 You said: "Much of the foolishness of this generation I think is because logic is no longer taught. People no longer think clearly, nor can they perceive error because they have forsaken logic." I disagree. I think much of the foolishness of this generation is because their premise is incorrect. Their parents have forsaken the teaching of Christ. America is apathetic and backs down for minority views for the sake of political correctness. I think what Robin was trying to point out is that (Greek - Christless) Logic should not be taught instead of (Hebrew - God-centered) Logic. You are right in one sense here - I do believe the Hebrew thought processes ARE logical. That is because my WORLDVIEW is based on a correct premise that Christ is Logos. He is the ultimate logic for the human race. "Turn your eyes upon Jesus - and the things on earth will grow strangely dim.... in the light of His glory and grace." You said: “Much of the foolishness of this generation I think is because logic is no longer taught. People no longer think clearly, nor can they perceive error because they have forsaken logic.”

I disagree. I think much of the foolishness of this generation is because their premise is incorrect. Their parents have forsaken the teaching of Christ. America is apathetic and backs down for minority views for the sake of political correctness.

I think what Robin was trying to point out is that (Greek – Christless) Logic should not be taught instead of (Hebrew – God-centered) Logic. You are right in one sense here – I do believe the Hebrew thought processes ARE logical. That is because my WORLDVIEW is based on a correct premise that Christ is Logos. He is the ultimate logic for the human race.

“Turn your eyes upon Jesus – and the things on earth will grow strangely dim…. in the light of His glory and grace.”

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